Ultimate Predator Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Where do I start? My PC doesn't have a wireless modem, and I know my internet speed is 512kbps (Tesco broadband), and thats it. I live in the UK. If people could guide me on what to do, and what to buy, I would really appreciate it. Also, will wireless work with Linux (Ubuntu is what I'm thinking of). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 15, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 15, 2007 Definitely get a Linksys WRT54GL router. Your PC would need a wireless network card, or you could use the ethernet connection if you're close enough to the router. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 15, 2007 Author Share Posted August 15, 2007 And what are the principles involved. Is it hard to plug-in a network card? I thought its attached to the back of the PC, like USB? And the router provides the wireless connection? And what gets attached into there then? Just the phone line? I currently have a modem that my ISP provided us, and the phone line plugged into the PC providing the internet. EDIT: Is this the router you were thinking of? And this works with Windows just fine? I'm not to worried about Linux, just interested. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Linksys-WRT54GL-UK...6015&sr=8-1 Would I still need a software firewall after this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 15, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 15, 2007 DSL: Phone line -> DSL modem -> Wireless Router -> NIC (Ethernet connection/Wireless card) Cable Internet: Cable line -> Cable Modem -> Wireless Router -> NIC Not hard to install a NIC (Network Interface Card) at all. Just remove the side panel of your case and plug it into the PCI slot. Install drivers as needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 And which of the two am I doing? This does work for windows? I have no idea where the PCI slot is. Is that the right router that I posted? Know of any decent Cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 16, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 16, 2007 The above were examples. I have cable so I put the common setup for cable Internet. Wikipedia has some interesting information on PCI slots. If it says WRT54GL then it would be the correct router. As for the wireless NIC, just find what suits your needs. Any G based card would work fine as it would utilize your router's G capabilities. There are many firmwares that support WPA2, so you would want to be sure your wireless NIC supports WPA2 as well, else you will have to use a lessen form of wireless protection such as WPA or even WEP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 It all shooting over my head, it all sounds quite complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldmannen Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Graphics card, network card, sound card, TV card, etc are "Expansion cards". You insert them into the computer by connecting them to the motherboard. Motherboard have buses/slots to which you connect the expansion cards to. Modern motherboards have PCI-Express and PCI buses. Older motherboards have AGP and PCI buses, and very old computers have PCI and ISA buses. If you have a network card in your computer, then it is most likely a PCI card. If you want to get wireless, then you would buy a wireless network card for the computer and a wireless router for the wireless network card to communicate with. The Linksys WRT54GL wireless router which Tarun mentioned is a good choice of a wireless router, its popular and have a good repuation. Linux works with wireless network cards, but unfortunately wireless is as far as i know, a bit of a weakness in Linux because not all wireless network cards are supported, so you should check so that it really works with Linux before you buy it. Wireless support in Linux is expected to improve though, the 2.6.22 kernel have a new and improved wireless network stack, and since Dell started to sell computers with Ubuntu pre-installed, they are working with hardware vendors to get better device drivers to Linux. The new Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) is expected to come in October. I would not get wireless though, because already have wired network. I don't have a laptop, and the desktop computer is at a fixed position, its on the desktop and it stays there. Wireless have waves in the air, don't know how good that is. Wireless are slower, so transferring files inside the LAN would be slower (I have 100 mbit/s LAN, most wireless is like 54 or 11 mbit/s). I heard a lot that wireless is bad for gaming and has lags, kicks, etc. Less secure than wired network, and the encryption can be cracked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 17, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 17, 2007 If you have a lot of Windows machines to be networked, I wouldn't put too much worry into a card that works with Linux unless you know for a fact that you'll stick with it. Here's some basic Wireless Tips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 17, 2007 Author Share Posted August 17, 2007 KIts just one PC. Could you all recommend a good card? Or would I have to give you my PC details? Can't you get wireless for USB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 17, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 17, 2007 The NIC would be better than using a USB device. Why do you need a wireless network? How many computers are in your home that will be networked? Etc, etc. :hello: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 18, 2007 Author Share Posted August 18, 2007 Two, my ne laptop and my PC. I do need it, trust me. In fact 3, cos there might be a new one coming soon. Is there anyway you could give me step by step instructions? Why is USB worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 18, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 18, 2007 I've never been fond of USB devices for networking from previous experiences with them. They often wouldn't work well or at all. As far as instructions, what sort do you need? Once you have your equipment, you just have to plug everything in. You log into the router and configure the settings, setting up WEP/WPA/WPA2 and TKIP/AES to secure your network. It's all really easy. As far as firmware goes, I'm using Tomato firmware and I absolutely love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 19, 2007 Author Share Posted August 19, 2007 Instructions for all. Setting up, no idea. Firmware for what? I have no idea how to to put in a card. I know it sounds like I'm going on a lot, but if I can be sure that I can do it myself with step-by-step instructions, I'd save a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 19, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 19, 2007 Let's just say it's a lot easier than you may think it is right now. Installing a card into your computer is as easy as removing the case, unscrewing a cover panel from the back inside and then pushing the card in and putting the screw back in to help hold it. It shouldn't take you very long at all. Maybe an hour tops, assuming that accessing the computer to install the card takes the longest. As for the firmware. Linksys WRT54GL utilizes Linux which allows for third party firmwares to be loaded onto the router. Many of these firmwares expand the built in features and add much more functionality and flexibility. I'm sure Eldmannen can say a lot more about this. :hello: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 19, 2007 Author Share Posted August 19, 2007 Ok. What card should I buy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 19, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 19, 2007 Well it depends on what computer will get the card. Is it one that will run a flavor of Linux? If not, you'll want a G based card that can support WPA2 for maximum security. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldmannen Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 As for the firmware. Linksys WRT54GL utilizes Linux which allows for third party firmwares to be loaded onto the router. Many of these firmwares expand the built in features and add much more functionality and flexibility. I'm sure Eldmannen can say a lot more about this. The fact that it runs Linux its possible to install a custom firmware has contributed to making the Linksys WRT54GL router very popular. There are third-party firmware such as DD-WRT, OpenWrt, and others. DD-WRT and OpenWrt being the two most popular firmwares. It has Tarun said, expands features and functionality. Well it depends on what computer will get the card. Is it one that will run a flavor of Linux? If not, you'll want a G based card that can support WPA2 for maximum security. If Linux, you would probably want a G based card that support WPA2 anyways. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 To be honest, I'm not to bothered about Linux. This PC, which I'm one now, will just run Windows. My laptop, which I will eventually get, has wireless already pre-installed, and thats when I plan to get Linux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 So? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldmannen Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Well, get some wireless 802.11g network card with support for WPA2. Preferably from one of the more well-known manufacturers. I don't know any good model off hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 20, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 20, 2007 Best bet would be to get Linksys, since having the same wireless card can allow some extra features. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 21, 2007 Author Share Posted August 21, 2007 Do you have a link? Somewhere in the UK (maybe crucial?)? And this does work 100% fine with Windows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Tarun Posted August 21, 2007 Administrator Share Posted August 21, 2007 Try the Amazon UK link, or go out to a store and get it. It's not that difficult. You have all the answers you need. Linksys WRT54GL routerLinksys wireless Gcard that supports WPA2You may need ethernet cable(s) of various lengths to connect the modem, router and computer that is not wireless.Upgrade to Tomato firmware after you get the router installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Predator Posted August 22, 2007 Author Share Posted August 22, 2007 Hmmm. Ok, I'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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